Fallout 4 Fail Safe Test
Good Day to All! I may be having issues with my new EVGA GTX 1080 SC and I was hoping for some help/guidance. I and NOT overclocking the card yet, though I do have the Power% limit at 120%/85C. Background.I had stopped playing Fallout 4 for a few weeks because of the multitude of game patches and played some old school Doom 3. I had been searching for an in-stock GTX 1080 to upgrade from my 970 SLI setup and finally acquired one from Microcenter. Prior to physically changing the cards I removed the (then) current drivers using the latest DDU in Safe-mode and then installed the new drivers (368.69) after a re-Boot.
I then loaded Fallout 4 to see how the new card performed. Steam installed the latest patch and I loaded up my last save. After about 20 mins.CTD. Restarted game, loaded my last save.fast-travel to the inner city (more stressful for the card), moved 20 ft (in-game).CTD. Disabled/Uninstalled all Mods via Nexus Mod Manager (NMM).still getting CTDs. Searched online for any solutions and noticed there were a few others in the Steam forum having similar CTD issues after the latest patch. Deleted and regenerated my Fallout 4 ini files.no improvement.
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Unfortunately once you start to modify the game there is no certainty of the game's stability. There are major architectural differences between the 1080 and the 970s.
I would imagine that most of the mods were made on computers running 900 series cards so that is how they were tested. I can verify that the 1080 works fine in Fallout 4 and it is likely the modications to the game which are causing the crashes to desktop. As a general rule of thumb, if a game is crashing to Desktop it is a game issue, if it is a TDR or full system crash then it is a card or card driver issue. Putting a more powerful card into the system can shift the load from the card to the CPU making a previously stable CPU or RAM OC unstable when before it was fine, I have had this happen to me before.
EVGATechRayH I understand that my post was long and you may have missed it: the current install of Fallout 4 is un-modded. I appreciate your attention and your advice, but I do not understand how upgrading to a slightly more powerful (but less power hungry than my dual 970's) video card would 'shift the load from the card to the CPU making a previously stable CPU or RAM OC unstable'.
I've been building my own computers (all OC'd) and upgrading video cards for 15+ years and I've never experienced this issue, nor read of this type of issue. As to your statement that you can verify that a GTX 1080 can run Fallout 4 without issue, I do not contend this.there are probably 10's of thousands of 1080's that run it without issue, my concern is that 'my' 1080 may be having issues and I want to determine if it is in fact the new card or Bethesda's recently patched game.
I had hoped to have had the time today to re-install my 970's and see how Fallout 4 played, but in the high heat; kayaking seemed a more enjoyable endeavor. Hopefully tomorrow! My 1080 FTW crashes once or twice when starting the game. Then it works (kinda). I get weird GPU utilization where the GPU usage drops really low without an explanation-it drops at weird spots that are not even demanding scenes.
I recall this issue with my 780 during a driver update, but I solved it. The problem recurred with my new 1080, but it is much worse, as I got into spots where the fps went as low as 35fps (even the 780 didn't drop that low in that particular spot). I suggest filing (bombarding) Bethesda's support team, if they have such a thing lol. Fallout 4 is the biggest AAA mess right now; I spent hours updating and stabilizing it last week and then I had that dreaded driver crash issue. I get a new powerful card, and I get another problem. I have to contact Nvidia and Bethesda regarding the problem; people pointed fingers at my CPU but that is not the case as the 780 was doing fine with the same specs (4.4 GHz CPU that is barely at 40% usage).
Good Evening to All! First I want to thank everyone that has taken the time to post in my thread! My troubleshooting efforts up to this evening lead me to believe it is the GTX1080 that has been causing the CTDs. I finally got around to re-installing my 970 SLI setup and I just finished playing 45mins of Fallout 4 with the same settings (2560x1440 Ultra) with no CTDs. I invoked in-game God-mode so that I could really stir things up in the game and really push my system and there were no hiccups at all.
With the 1080 I could, at most, play 20 mins without a CTD if nothing much was happening in-game. If there was a large battle going on, it would typically CTD pretty quickly. So apparently there is something about the Fallout 4 Engine that my 1080 has issues with.on my computer. I'm pretty convinced that the issue is centered around the cards VRAM as of the games that I currently have installed; Fallout 4 seems to use the most VRAM and it's the only game or Benchmark that has had issues. According to Guru3D: the calculated TDP for a GTX1080 is 184Ws.970SLI is 326W. So, power wise, the GTX 1080 should be less of a power strain on my system. Yes.my CPU is OC'd and has been since the first week of install, and has never shown any signs of failure or instability and I seriously doubt that it is an issue.
Also, lets be honest: the GTX1080 is really only about 30% faster than the 970SLI setup (which is about same performance of a GTX980Ti). Its main selling point for me was getting away from SLI and the obvious advantages of the VRAM increase as I play at 1440.
Before starting the RMA process, I will continue testing and then re-install the 1080 with another DDU driver un-install/install. If you find my logic flawed, I am open to ideas. Thumper1958 Good Evening to All! First I want to thank everyone that has taken the time to post in my thread! My troubleshooting efforts up to this evening lead me to believe it is the GTX1080 that has been causing the CTDs. I finally got around to re-installing my 970 SLI setup and I just finished playing 45mins of Fallout 4 with the same settings (2560x1440 Ultra) with no CTDs.
I invoked in-game God-mode so that I could really stir things up in the game and really push my system and there were no hiccups at all. With the 1080 I could, at most, play 20 mins without a CTD if nothing much was happening in-game. If there was a large battle going on, it would typically CTD pretty quickly. So apparently there is something about the Fallout 4 Engine that my 1080 has issues with.on my computer. I'm pretty convinced that the issue is centered around the cards VRAM as of the games that I currently have installed; Fallout 4 seems to use the most VRAM and it's the only game or Benchmark that has had issues. According to Guru3D: the calculated TDP for a GTX1080 is 184Ws.970SLI is 326W. So, power wise, the GTX 1080 should be less of a power stain on my system.
Yes.my CPU is OC'd and has been since the first week of install, and has never shown any signs of failure or instability and I seriously doubt that it is an issue. Also, lets be honest: the GTX1080 is really only about 30% faster than the 970SLI setup (which is about same performance of a GTX980Ti). Its main selling point for me was getting away from SLI and the obvious advantages of the VRAM increase as I play at 1440. Before starting the RMA process, I will continue testing and then re-install the 1080 with another DDU driver un-install/install.
If you find my logic flawed, I am open to ideas.One way to test out your vram theory is, using Precision or MSI Afterburner to reduce your memory clocks. You could also do that same regarding the GPU core clocks to see if that resolves the CTD or increases the time in between crashes.
Update: While I still have my 970's installed, I thought that I would run Fire Strike so I could compare results from the 1080. The results were disturbing: EVGA GTX1080 SC: 5/: power limit @ 120 no other OC.reported Core Clock 2000Mhz.temps never above 65C 2x MSI GTX970 Gold Ed: 4/: power limit @110 my mild OC applied (+125 mem on both.+85/125 Core) When I had looked at my 1080 scores before, I compared them to other scores with the same CPU (i7 2600k) and they seemed only slightly above mine I had attributed my lower than 1080 review scores due to my aging CPU so I was too concerned. But why should 1080 graphics score be below my 970 SLI score? Next step: re-install the 1080 with applicable driver purge (DDU) update before work: GTX1080 Fire Strike Extreme (1440) 9621/2/4704 GTX1080 mem underclocked 500 (4010Mhz(.still CTD in Fallout 4. Update after work: I found that its specific graphics setting in Fallout 4 that are causing the CTGs (some would say, 'well of course!' I am trying to narrow it down to which specific setting and thus better understand my issue.
So far, I have successfully been able to play without a CTG:at 1440 with a mix of High and Ultra settings (view distances maxed). Shadows, Godrays, and Weapon Debris seem to be the issue. In contrast, with my 970 SLI setup; I was able to play at mostly Ultra with Mods. No crashes, but with framerate slow downs in Boston (which is normal for all).
R2d2fd, My issues seem to be a combination of my Windows 7 install, my CPU/Memory, the new GTX1080 and Fallout 4. I have played over 300 hours of Fallout 4 played at 1440 (with multiple Mods installed) on my 970 SLI system; with all setting on Ultra except Shadows Quality/Distance, Godrays and Weapon Debris (those were on High or Medium).
With the 970's I had some FPS slowdowns, but no CTD's even if EVERYTHING was maxed-out and my framerate was 60-40 (VSYNC enabled). With the GTX 1080, I have to play with almost the same settings, because if I go higher I get CTDs without errors messages. You mentioned that you have experienced CTDs even after several hours of gameplay. I may as well.even with Currently, there are no Mods installed and Fallout 4 has been completely re-downloaded and re-installed. MSI Afterburner, does not seem to show any indicator for the crash-event.but I am far from an expert in its use. On the other hand I am not a novice trouble-shooter either, I've been a Test Tech in the Semiconductor world for 20+ years.its what I do.its how I think. The only thing that has been suggested, that I haven't done, is to disable the Overclock on my CPU.
In order to change my BIOS settings I'll have to dig out a PS2 keyboard as my BIOS will not see a USB keyboard. I have also thought about installing the 1080 in a friends computers and seeing the results. But even if it performs without issue in his newly built computer, it doesn't help me with my computer. Up to this point, I have had no other indicators that any other component in my system are at fault.update: Using Afterburner: I set the Core Clock to -400 (this is below Nvidia default) and Mem to -502.seemed to take a little longer, but still CTD in Fallout 4 Reset GPU clocks. Finally got into Mobo BIOS.set settings to default (i.e.
No CPU OC.confirmed with CPUZ).still have CTD in Fallout 4.seemed about the same amout of gameplay to produce the CTD. With the 1080, I've played Crysis 3 without issue for 1.5hrs, but I haven't played Witcher 3 for more than 30mins, so I need to play Witcher 3 for a longer time period to actually confirm that it really has no issues. I also need to find a Benchmark or game that stresses the 1080 as much as possible so that I can further confirm that its Fallout 4 that is the issue, and not my 1080.
As I mentioned in my first post; I've already let Heaven run for over an hour without any evidence of video corruption or driver failure. Temps never went higher than the mid-60s Benchmark or game suggestions? Is Furmark still sanctioned? Is there any way to test 'all' of the VRAM?
I should probably run Firemark Ultra and see if I have any issues.latest update: Ran Fire Strike Ultra without issue (Core @ 1962 ) and Fire Strike Stress Test passed.97.8% stable.this morning's update.and an interesting twist. As I had my 970's just lying around, I thought I might try installing one as a dedicated Physx card.and the results: no CTD in Fallout 4 (so far). I have Ugrids now set to 7 (default is 5) and I ran around all over Boston with a full-auto weapon in God Mode, aggro-ing everything I ran into and no CTD for a good 30mins!
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Again, does this point to Fallout 4 or my GTX 1080 SC? IndicaOR I had the same issue with that game on multiple cards.
I will be testing the game out on 8/5 with my 1080 FTW 3.0 will let you know. It is a known bug in the game and I haven't put any time into fixing it yet. I believe it is a corruption of my save file.I thought the same thing when I ran multiple cards on this game, but that wasn't the issue. It was corrupt mods added to the game that were not compatible with the updates to FO4.
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When I turned them off, the game ran normal. Start by removing all mods and all add-ons to ensure it's not hardware related, especially on this game. If it does with the mods turned off, though, then we know it 'could be' hardware related. Stalinx20.in my case Mods and/or Saves have nothing to do with my issue. I had un-installed all mods and then totally re-installed the game and started with a fresh character and still got CTD in after 5-15 mins of gameplay.more so in built up areas.
Previously, I was able to play for 350+ hours with very few CTDs using my 970 SLI setup. Its one or all.1080-Drivers-Fallout 4. Update 9-7-16: so I de-selected the 970 as a dedicated PhysX card in the Nvidia control panel.confirmed that Fallout 4 would CTD (1 trial, inner city.about 5-7 mins) then I ran the PA Benchmark 2560x1440, all settings maxed, once.no crash, and then set it to loop for over an hour. If anybody is interested: with the 970 as a dedicated PhysX card my score Avg 119.8/ Max 140.7 fps without the 970 Avg 78.9/ Max 100.5 fps.so based on this, I guess that Fallout 4 has an issue with my GTX 1080 SC.and not the other way around. I will be building a new 6700k based computer in the coming weeks. If I have continued issues with the 1080, I may be back seeking help (or an RMA). Thank you to all who answered my plea!
Regards, Kevin.